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PostSubject: Technologic Development and Laboural Culture   Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:28 am

Technology's objectie is to make our life easier, more comfortable and more workable.

As technology has advanced it has indeed had an impact in work relationships for the means and ammounts of production it has allowed.

However, I believe that we should not let our socioecnomic system rely solely or even at an important level in technology. Why? because we cannot foresee wether a certain technological infrastructure or not will have a massive, mainly naturally induced failure.

That's why I think it should be our duty to create a socialist laboural culture. A culture that would allow us to have a socialist society inspite of having say XVIII century technology.

My point is simple. We should always try to advance technologically as much as possible, yet we shouldn't be dependant on said technological progress to either survive or substain the socialisticity of our society. I think that even if we had a chieved a time in which we harness the entire energy of our solar system, should we somehow lose temporarily said capability, we should not let chaos into our society. And in my view the only way to do so is through a socialist culture of labour.

Part of my point is that we shouldn't see technology as a means to get rid of labour but just as a means to ease it and increase its efficience for labour is a basic human activity.

We should be able to preserve a socialist society regardless of conditions, we should never make it dependant on technology.

Else, a socialist laboural culture wouldn't limit to allowing us keep the socialisticity of our society even in technologically precarious conditions, but would as well allow us for a much quicker pace of development in any possible condition.

I know its a bit early to start speaking about things like spacefaring and such, however, the creation of a socialist laboural culture starts from the very beginning and I deem it necesary for the aforementioned reasons.

Which are your views comrades?
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PostSubject: Re: Technologic Development and Laboural Culture   Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:19 am

I'm pretty much a technocrat (I'm not for energy accounting, however, though elements of it could be incorporated into the economy). So yeah.
How does this 'socialist laboural culture' work? Shitwork is degrading.
Technology is a way of eliminating labour (thus freeing people from having to do shit that they don't want to), and making production more efficient. It also makes production more sustainable.
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PostSubject: Re: Technologic Development and Laboural Culture   Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:54 am

Stos wrote:
I'm pretty much a technocrat (I'm not for energy accounting, however, though elements of it could be incorporated into the economy). So yeah.
How does this 'socialist laboural culture' work? Shitwork is degrading.

Yeah, shitwork is degrading. But the technology that has allowed us to get rid of some of it and that may let us in the fture get rid of all of it is not given for granted and that work is necesary. We must be able to perform said work in a socialist economic context regardless of our technological circumstances. That is, we should be able to perform any task from scratch, develop something that allows us to perform more efficiently or to not even need to peform ourselves that task without getting disabled to to that task ourselves were we in the conditions of losing said development.

Stos wrote:

Technology is a way of eliminating labour (thus freeing people from having to do shit that they don't want to), and making production more efficient. It also makes production more sustainable.

Yet, technology is product of labour. So labour is te basis of everything and we shall not let technological development to attrofiate our laboural capabilities. We must be always able to both perform the task we created technology for without technology and be able to create said technology. And all that requires labour thus the realization that labour is basic and it shall never be our objective to get rid of it nor our capability to perform it.

We are not born with technology, we have to develop it ourselves. We should always be self sufficient, we must never be dependant on technology.

So labooural culture is basically teh application of those principles. To never stop being laboural beings, to not put ourselves just in the hands of technology. Machines should not substitute us in the performance of the most basic activities we perform. We must develop as much technology as possible and do the work as efficient as possible without depending on it.

That means, we should never stop practicing every single kind of labour and we should never forget how to use the basic knowledges and perform the basic tasks that lead to our actual technological development.

We shall not let a socalist framework to depend on technology and that's what this whole laboural culture is for. To acknowledge that labour is unexpendable and to accept every single form of it as essential to human development and to be able to always have an egalitarian society regardless of the technological condition. That way, socialism could never collapse regardless of circumstances.
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PostSubject: Re: Technologic Development and Laboural Culture   Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:35 am

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Machines should not substitute us in the performance of the most basic activities we perform.
Why not? If we use technology, we won't be able to perform basic manual labour? I doubt it. There is no reason to keep around a few basic activities, when we could instead alleviate these jobs so that people would have more free time to pursue their interests.

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Yet, technology is product of labour.
Yes, and it is more efficient than labour at doing repetitive tasks, and much of physical labour. Once you do some labour on technology, it can continuously do work, meaning that manual labour required is largely reduced. This, in turn, means less work. Of course, experts at a given field would work on how to build new technology, and, if necessary for workers to work on it, workers may be compensated for helping to work on it. Then, it's done, and it can do labour for years with minimal human interference.

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We must be able to perform said work in a socialist economic context regardless of our technological circumstances.
Primmo? Anyways, there are many things that you can't build without machinery. However, yes, most shitwork could easily be done if the technology for it collapsed, though the likelihood of that is miniscule.

Again, how does this laboural culture develop? What does it entail? Doing physical labour rather than something interesting even when we can use technology to easily eliminate it?

“Spare the arm which turns the mill, 0, millers, and sleep peacefully. Let the cock warn you in vain that day is breaking. Demeter has imposed upon the nymphs the labor of the slaves, and behold them leaping merrily over the wheel, and behold the axle tree, shaken, turning with it's spokes and making the heavy rolling stone revolve. Let us live the life of our fathers, and let us rejoice in idleness over the gifts that the goddess grants us.”
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