Give Liche access to the site?

Say here if you think I should get access. So far Zealot just ignores my PM to let me in, so I will do it democratically.

Prove that you're a left wing revolutionary.

Your reputation in WR precedes you as a politically ambiguous individual and your recent comment that war is unavoidable and is a motor for economy definitely makes it doubtful that you're a left revolutionaire.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Prove that you're a left wing revolutionary.

Your reputation in WR precedes you as a politically ambiguous individual and your recent comment that war is unavoidable and is a motor for economy definitely makes it doubtful that you're a left revolutionaire.

Well I explained to Stos, I was being a smart ass, both with the Anarcho-Nazi thing, and the thing about world peace being a paradox. World peace can bee accomplished, by uniting the world for a common cause (socialism!).

You talked to Stos, but you didn't publicice anything.

Now, explain please why you are a leftist revolutionaire.

I belive the working class is being exploited and not getting there share, and being given money with no face value. The company doesn't provide them insurance, and are left to pay for there own medical expenses. They work, and basically get nothing out of it, while there employers get power.

Capitalism makes the world a bad place. The poor get oppressed, whilst the (usually ignorant) rich get to roam about doing what ever they please. They lie to the people, and cover up the truth, making people ignorant, so even the poor, working class doesn't see the problems of capitalism.

Liche wrote:

I belive the working class is being exploited and not getting there share, and being given money with no face value. The company doesn't provide them insurance, and are left to pay for there own medical expenses. They work, and basically get nothing out of it, while there employers get power.

All this meaning?

Liche wrote:

Capitalism makes the world a bad place. The poor get oppressed, whilst the (usually ignorant) rich get to roam about doing what ever they please. They lie to the people, and cover up the truth, making people ignorant, so even the poor, working class doesn't see the problems of capitalism.

And what's the solution you propose?

The solution is to educate the people, then revolution.

and that meaning it is time for a change (not Obama style, revolution extreme drastic change).

Liche wrote:

The solution is to educate the people, then revolution.

And what should be the system to impose through revolution? Explain it.

Liche wrote:

and that meaning it is time for a change (not Obama style, revolution extreme drastic change).

Describe the change to take place.

The revolution will put the working class in charge (and eventually become a classless society), and the new government will own the once privatized business.

And I don't understand your other question, explain?

Liche wrote:

The revolution will put the working class in charge (and eventually become a classless society), and the new government will own the once privatized business.

Describe how this "new government" as you call it would be established and how would it work.

Liche wrote:

And I don't understand your other question, explain?

Describe the series of changes that are going to take place once capitalism is overthrown and how you think these changes ought to occur.

I think once Capitalism is abolished, the Government should first be Anarcho-Syndicalist, to get itself together, but then later progress to a more structured government, in my preference a Syndicalist one, but generally any Marxist style government.

Liche wrote:

I think once Capitalism is abolished, the Government should first be Anarcho-Syndicalist, to get itself together, but then later progress to a more structured government, in my preference a Syndicalist one, but generally any Marxist style government.

Elaborate please.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Liche wrote:

I think once Capitalism is abolished, the Government should first be Anarcho-Syndicalist, to get itself together, but then later progress to a more structured government, in my preference a Syndicalist one, but generally any Marxist style government.

Elaborate please.

All right at first it will be in chaos, but we will make it anarcho-syndicalist. and slowly, it will progress towards a Socialist democracy.

Liche wrote:

All right at first it will be in chaos, but we will make it anarcho-syndicalist. and slowly, it will progress towards a Socialist democracy.

Explain with more detail how the whole revolutionary process should be carried on according to you.

Well, first you need to educate the people. You can do that through several ways, my idea would be to set up programs to help people with little education, and set up schools or programs where we can teach them.

....well, i mean, i don't know liche very well, but he has a general idea of what we are against, and his proposed solution....i don't understand how it'll work, but he's at the very least some kind of socialist...o.o;; i say we let him in...

i'm confused, liche, you say we should restructure ourselves along an anarchosyndicalist line, then set up a new government? what do you define government as? how would the new government function?

is the end goal a society without a government or with one? with a structured syndicalist economy? or government planned? or gift economy?

i don't think he has to answer those questions to get in, btw, i just want to know, since i don't know him so well...

i propose this be combined with liche's political profile...

Well, the problem is that in WR he demonstrated too much political ambiguity so, before letting him in I'd like him to clarify his posture as much as possible and to explain as broadly as possible his views.

Liche wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Liche wrote:

I think once Capitalism is abolished, the Government should first be Anarcho-Syndicalist, to get itself together, but then later progress to a more structured government, in my preference a Syndicalist one, but generally any Marxist style government.

Elaborate please.

All right at first it will be in chaos, but we will make it anarcho-syndicalist. and slowly, it will progress towards a Socialist democracy.

It will slowly progress towards democracy?

Stos wrote:

Liche wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Liche wrote:

I think once Capitalism is abolished, the Government should first be Anarcho-Syndicalist, to get itself together, but then later progress to a more structured government, in my preference a Syndicalist one, but generally any Marxist style government.

Elaborate please.

All right at first it will be in chaos, but we will make it anarcho-syndicalist. and slowly, it will progress towards a Socialist democracy.

It will slowly progress towards democracy?

duh everyone knows anarchy = chaos that was sarcastic

yea, well at first it would be some what democratic, but as it progressed it well get more so. and in the end it will be a Socialist Democracy.

Liche wrote:

yea, well at first it would be some what democratic, but as it progressed it well get more so. and in the end it will be a Socialist Democracy.

so it will just be straight dictatorship then slowly become slightly democratic?

beatnikzach wrote:

Liche wrote:

yea, well at first it would be some what democratic, but as it progressed it well get more so. and in the end it will be a Socialist Democracy.

so it will just be straight dictatorship then slowly become slightly democratic?

no no, at first it will be anarchy (anarcho syndicalist) then slowly progress to pure Democracy

Liche wrote:

beatnikzach wrote:

Liche wrote:

yea, well at first it would be some what democratic, but as it progressed it well get more so. and in the end it will be a Socialist Democracy.

so it will just be straight dictatorship then slowly become slightly democratic?

no no, at first it will be anarchy (anarcho syndicalist) then slowly progress to pure Democracy

How the hell is anarchy not democratic?

Stos wrote:

Liche wrote:

beatnikzach wrote:

Liche wrote:

yea, well at first it would be some what democratic, but as it progressed it well get more so. and in the end it will be a Socialist Democracy.

so it will just be straight dictatorship then slowly become slightly democratic?

no no, at first it will be anarchy (anarcho syndicalist) then slowly progress to pure Democracy

How the hell is anarchy not democratic?

aye

Read both posts I said it would be somewhat democratic at first!

Liche wrote:

Stos wrote:

Liche wrote:

beatnikzach wrote:

Liche wrote:

yea, well at first it would be some what democratic, but as it progressed it well get more so. and in the end it will be a Socialist Democracy.

so it will just be straight dictatorship then slowly become slightly democratic?

no no, at first it will be anarchy (anarcho syndicalist) then slowly progress to pure Democracy

How the hell is anarchy not democratic?

aye

Read both posts I said it would be somewhat democratic at first!

Why only 'somewhat' democratic?