Profile - Inkus2000

Most of you prob know me from the WR - before I went on to start an Anarchist forum, expanding and functional to this day - every member is an administrator so it works on a collective basis.

Anyway, Im an Anarchist/Libertarian socialist - while I support communism I think an immediate shift from capitalism to communism is unrealistic, predominantly for economic reasons. I consider the form of arrangement known as anarcho syndicalism an appropriate transitory phase.

I reject state socialism on the grounds that the authoritarian state invariably replaces business as the predominant barrier to the democratic organization of mankind. I reject capitalism due to private property ''a source of coercive rule'' and essential pre-requisite to human oppression. Relations of subjugation and domination are the hallmarks of the capitalist mode of organization - economic efficiency requiring man be made a tool to be dominated thus exploited for profit.

Concentrated power is best undermined by ''Democracy'' - No less than direct grassroots democracy and public control of capital can bring about a free socialist society. Human beings are not tools and have the right of self determination - the right to decide how their labor will be allocated and how the conditions of their ''own lives'' will be arranged - any system not conductive to these freedoms is tyrannical and therefore illigitimite.

Those who impose the current conditions of oppression should be made our targets and set upon without cease - via propaganda first and physical force when numbers grow. The interests of the capitalist elite are diametrically opposed to ours - they favor profit and unbound exploitation, we favor democracy and liberty.

Only revolution can result in the reconstitution of society.

You're more than welcome to this forum. I'm very glad you've come and I hope that you will pay us some sporadic visit

very glad your here inkus!
maybe you can tell some of your users to occasionally scope around here

beatnikzach wrote:

very glad your here inkus!
maybe you can tell some of your users to occasionally scope around here

One already has. I tried to round up the couple intellectuals i remember from that site. Killuminati is one of em. Hopefully KenCat (cheveyo) comes. He's like the prodigal son of anarchy. If he progresses intellectually at the pace he's at now, i have no doubt he'll have a significant influence on the movement.

Black_Cross wrote:

beatnikzach wrote:

very glad your here inkus!
maybe you can tell some of your users to occasionally scope around here

One already has. I tried to round up the couple intellectuals i remember from that site. Killuminati is one of em. Hopefully KenCat (cheveyo) comes. He's like the prodigal son of anarchy. If he progresses intellectually at the pace he's at now, i have no doubt he'll have a significant influence on the movement.

he seams like quote the good kid
but we have alek!

yay, inkus is here! =D

inkus2000 wrote:

Those who impose the current conditions of oppression should be made our targets and set upon without cease - via propaganda first and physical force when numbers grow.

Where does education come into this?

Stos wrote:

inkus2000 wrote:

Those who impose the current conditions of oppression should be made our targets and set upon without cease - via propaganda first and physical force when numbers grow.

Where does education come into this?

Education is ''essential'' in building our movement - sorry for not clarifying. We must spread our ideology in order to break the countervailing hegemony.

inkus2000 wrote:

Stos wrote:

inkus2000 wrote:

Those who impose the current conditions of oppression should be made our targets and set upon without cease - via propaganda first and physical force when numbers grow.

Where does education come into this?

Education is ''essential'' in building our movement - sorry for not clarifying. We must spread our ideology in order to break the countervailing hegemony.

I'd say it's more important than just getting rid of the current consensus, we have to let the workers think for themselves about what they want after a revolution, we can't just make the majority follow like sheep, or it'll just degenerate (using that word makes me feel like a Trot. Blah.) into bureacracy. So basically, no 'Bread, Peace and Land!', or populism (transitional programs and the like), we have to teach about why capitalism sucks, and the various methods that socialists propose to make it better (and, of course, why Stalinism is a bad idea), and let the majority of workers decide for themselves on issues such as Labour vouchers (now Labour credits), industrial unionism, etc.

Stos wrote:

inkus2000 wrote:

Stos wrote:

inkus2000 wrote:

Those who impose the current conditions of oppression should be made our targets and set upon without cease - via propaganda first and physical force when numbers grow.

Where does education come into this?

Education is ''essential'' in building our movement - sorry for not clarifying. We must spread our ideology in order to break the countervailing hegemony.

I'd say it's more important than just getting rid of the current consensus, we have to let the workers think for themselves about what they want after a revolution, we can't just make the majority follow like sheep, or it'll just degenerate (using that word makes me feel like a Trot. Blah.) into bureacracy. So basically, no 'Bread, Peace and Land!', or populism (transitional programs and the like), we have to teach about why capitalism sucks, and the various methods that socialists propose to make it better (and, of course, why Stalinism is a bad idea), and let the majority of workers decide for themselves on issues such as Labour vouchers (now Labour credits), industrial unionism, etc.

Yea I agree, Although our ideology is ''precisely that''- self management and free association. Unless the countervailing form of idealogical dogma is undermined and exposed we cannot hope to progress. The mass's have internalized their subjugated roles set forth by the capitalist elite - blinded by commodity fetishism and alienated from labor.

...more than ever, i'm seeing how the anarchist movement IS the free school movement...which is excellent for children...

but how do you suppose we (err...help? good enough word as any) help the workers in the quest for knowledge about the capitalist system?

they live in the real world, overwhelmed by the problems we aim to destroy....as much help it is to really get a chance to talk and interact...maybe give a leaflet or two....wouldn't it be fantastic if the free school movement could be provided for workers (wherever funds are available)?

you know, free room and board, and lots of books? maybe i'm being too idealistic, though...

actually, someone has probably thought of this before...*to the internet!*

solpacvoicis wrote:

...more than ever, i'm seeing how the anarchist movement IS the free school movement...which is excellent for children...

but how do you suppose we (err...help? good enough word as any) help the workers in the quest for knowledge about the capitalist system?

they live in the real world, overwhelmed by the problems we aim to destroy....as much help it is to really get a chance to talk and interact...maybe give a leaflet or two....wouldn't it be fantastic if the free school movement could be provided for workers (wherever funds are available)?

you know, free room and board, and lots of books? maybe i'm being too idealistic, though...

actually, someone has probably thought of this before...*to the internet!*

Eh, free schools probably don't fit everybody... However, we'd probably have a lot more after a revolution.
Also, as for education now, we could unite in order to put out papers and such (combined, we'd have the funding for it) in order to give a socialist perspective on current issues, and 'teach the debate' on issues such as Labour vouchers (Labour credits now), industrial unionism, etc. Of course, it would be great if it could also include science columns and the like, though none of that celebrity bullshit. Of course, we could also try and give out books such as 'Limits to Capital' for free and such, which perhaps could be intergrated into a 'free school/skool' movement. Of course, we could either keep this as, well, a school, or we could let workers come there to learn shit if they wished to.
Crud, we could probably even get a television or radio channel for ourselves if we put our monies together. The SLP currently can't even get enough funds to put out 'The People', but if we united (if only for showing people that capitalism sucks, and then letting them figure out what they believe) we could easily put out a paper, and probably get a channel or something. If we get enough funding, we could probably organize some events and such.

well, think about it, the central theory to the free school movement is that people should be allowed to learn as they please...which is what you are saying - that people should be able to choose their own revolutionary current, and that we need to just get our ideas out there for them to decide, right?

hm, then raising the funds becomes the issue....too bad we can't just raise enough funds once to get a piece of farmland and build a school like La Ruche...except, instead of for children, for workers with an interest in expanding their knowledge...

There is a terrible reality: Under the capitalist framework the workers "are too busy to learn". Giving out books for free wouldn't guarantee that they read them. Putting a free school wouldn't guarantee that workers would come and learn things.

We need another strategy for that and to plan that strategy we must understand the reality that most workers are just worried about their survival and probably their "self-superation" within this system. Any offer that does not imply an income but that may take time from them after work would be most probably uninteresting to the majority of workers.

There are even places in which workers don't even know how to read and write. You cannot expect that workers start reading Das Kapital when they don't even know how to interpret series of characters. However, being such basic knowledge as reading and writing are, maybe some workers will be eager to be freely taught that knowlegde. Amidst it we could provide socialist education.

Most workers will analyse activities and their value based on their prime objective which is to get income.

I was thinking that, if we managed to gather enough money, one tactic that could work is put schools in which not only are free but actually we pay those workers who assist to them. We could make sure that they learn by many ways.

Black_Cross wrote:

beatnikzach wrote:

very glad your here inkus!
maybe you can tell some of your users to occasionally scope around here

One already has. I tried to round up the couple intellectuals i remember from that site. Killuminati is one of em. Hopefully KenCat (cheveyo) comes. He's like the prodigal son of anarchy. If he progresses intellectually at the pace he's at now, i have no doubt he'll have a significant influence on the movement.

Thank you, ha.. I'll make a political profile tonight.

hey kenkat, i recognize you from anarchist underground!

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

There is a terrible reality: Under the capitalist framework the workers "are too busy to learn". Giving out books for free wouldn't guarantee that they read them. Putting a free school wouldn't guarantee that workers would come and learn things.

We need another strategy for that and to plan that strategy we must understand the reality that most workers are just worried about their survival and probably their "self-superation" within this system. Any offer that does not imply an income but that may take time from them after work would be most probably uninteresting to the majority of workers.

There are even places in which workers don't even know how to read and write. You cannot expect that workers start reading Das Kapital when they don't even know how to interpret series of characters. However, being such basic knowledge as reading and writing are, maybe some workers will be eager to be freely taught that knowlegde. Amidst it we could provide socialist education.

Most workers will analyse activities and their value based on their prime objective which is to get income.

I was thinking that, if we managed to gather enough money, one tactic that could work is put schools in which not only are free but actually we pay those workers who assist to them. We could make sure that they learn by many ways.

actually the idea was that we could raise money to put the workers through school without having to worry about income...providing food, water, a place to stay...

would that be too much...?

then again, even...five workers allowed to learn as they please could very well accelerate our movement a hundred fold...

i think its worth it if its possible

also: yay! kencat is here! our numbers increase